Basic questions to understand equipment

[WHATABURGER]

I have a few questions that I think are pretty basic and would greatly help me, and possibly a few others on equipment, so here goes:

what are the advantages / disadvantages to the number of wraps in coils?

i.e. 8 wrap 11 wrap

What are the advantages disadvantages of rotary machines versus coil type?

what are the advantages / disadvantages of disposable tubes and needles versus non disposable? (it seems to me that it makes more sense to always use disposables)

When choosing a liner versus a shader what should you look for? (does a shader require a higher coil wrap count?)

I understand that alot of the answer will lie in personal preference, I am just curios!

[JohnnyChaos]

I'm not expert but afaik

Coils: the more layers the stronger the magnetic field but the slower the current flows round so in theory more layers for bigger needle groups, less layers for a faster machine. But springs and armature bar weight can make a 8layer coil behave the same as a 12.

Machines: cheap rotary machines have a slight wobble to them. The main difference I've been told is a coil machine will bog down when you go too deep which is a good thing but a rotary won't.

Disposables v ss: disposables are nice n safe and can get good results. But some don't fit well allowing too much play in the needle n some flex too much causing the machine to slow. I'm told ss will always put in a better line but I've not tried them. I am tomorrow tho

Liner/shafer: acording to the godoy bros a perfectly set up machine will do both with minimal changes to the air gap

[WHATABURGER]

Thank you very much for your response this is exactly the type of information that I am looking for!!!!

I have an experienced tattoo artist that has agreed to "train" , "apprentice" me. I dont want to overburden him with technical questions, when I would much rather absorb technique from him!!!!!

besides when I asked him what machine I should get, he said "it doesn't matter" and although I do trust what he says, I also want to work with quality equipment.

I just don't trust buying the cheapest chinese machine out there. LOL

I have been a professional artist for over 20 years and I completely understand "the equipment/ tools, dont make the artist" at the same time I also believe that inferior quality in tools provides frustration!! LOL

So thank you for being so open and candid as well as patient with my questions!!!!!

[Sparx]

the 8 wrap and 10 wrap machinme coils is just a number, imagine that if you use a thicker gauge coil conducter then you wont need as many wraps, it iaint just a matter of winding 6, 8, 10 or whatever amount of wraps around the coil core, its done technically and electrical measurements are taken ito consideration as well as what type of core the coil has and the thickness of the core itself.

as a newbie i would not get too worried about the coil wraps for now.


ps.... disposible tubes are fine, and sometimes the stainless ones will get a build up on them and can cause white to be tainted.

stainles are good if you have an autoclave to clean them in, dont think that a food pressure cooker will do the job because it wont..... it dont build up enough steam pressure or enough heat up to kill everything off

[framey]

hmmmmmmmm
a wrap is 1 single turn around a core
a layer is all the way up
2 layers would be back down again

the unit of resistance is what you want not the number of wraps
a good 8 can do anything a 10 or 12 can do

sorry

[PsychoticInk]

I have alot of machines that I use. In theory most apprents will be doing easier designs off of the wall. When I started I was allowed to do simple hearts and so forth. Now I am usually into my 10 wrap machines for every day work off the wall. Most of the time a 5 tighte liner for the out line, and a 7 mag m-1 for coloring or heavy shading. Heavy shading is most easiest to find in old school type designs. Now if I am doing something such as portraits I will have a few machines ready. I never use a large outline on them. I actually will use an 8 wrap machine that is tuned to be soft and gentle. I will use a wash shade ink mix so that my lines remain rather faint. I start my shading with a couple of different types of machines hooked up. I like the 10 wrap myself, but its just my preferance of coarse. I will use down to a 5 mag m-2 for small areas such as the eye area of the portrait, and then I will go from 11 mag m-1 upto 25 mag, for large open areas. I work from darekest to lightest in shade work. Now when it comes to tough skin I sometimes will grab some 12 wrap machines throw more juice to it and that will usually work on tough skin. I think of it like others as well, small needles small coils. Large mags or shaders larger coils.
I have nothing on the rotaries though, never used one myself.

[Hatton]

as far as i gathered it the more layers the more juice it took to get the same hit a machine with less wraps would do at a lower voltage. i.e if you set up two machines identical except for one was running 12 layer coils and one was running 8 layer coils then the 12 would be acting at 8 volts exactly the same as the 8 layer machine would be at maybe 6 volts.

but i could be wrong

[JohnnyChaos]

I thought if you used the same wire and capacitors on both.. an 8 layer would be fast but not as powerful. A 12 layer would be slower but more punchy.
Which is why you "tend" to get liners with 8 layers and shaders with 10 or 12... dont you?

although I'm sure my latest shader has 8 layer coils! lol

[Sparx]

it all depends on the person or company that made the coils, a good coil made with 6 or 8 wraps will perform like a cheeper 10 or 12 wrap coil....... as said before it all depends on the resistance and not the numbers.

[izarras_ink]

mine has a skateboard bearing mwahahaha